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  • The Whitlam Government - another US inspired Coup?

    There is no definitive evidence that US Intelligence sought to bring down the progressive ALP government of Australia in the mid 1970s but one needs only to join the dots.

    First the track record of the US since WW2 has been to discourage independence and to this end there have been numerous regime change efforts over the last 70 years. South America and Africa have both been targets of frequent US interference and when Australia looked like slipping the dog chain 50 years ago, it too joined the list. The motivation was Whitlam's determination to reinstate Australia's sovereignty after the disastrous Vietnam defeat. Let's look at the sequence of events after Whitlam recognised the People's Republic of China.

    Whitlam made an extended visit to China in July 1971 when he was still Opposition Leader, which paved the way for the swift changes that followed after the 1972 election. That trip also set initial alarm-bells ringing in Washington.

    After requesting ASIO information on Right Wing extremist activity in Australia and being stonewalled, the Government raided ASIO HQ raising concerns among our own Security "services" and those in Washington. Those concerns only increased with the Government's threats to close down Pine Gap because of the opacity regarding its real function.

    Australia’s foremost investigative journalist, John Pilger, writing in the Guardian in 2014, said that a former CIA officer, Victor Marchetti, told him that a “kind of Chile [coup] was set in motion” by 1975, after Whitlam had demanded to know if the CIA were running a major spy-base at Pine Gap near Alice Springs in central Australia, intimating that his government might close this base down. This, according to Marchetti, “caused apoplexy in the White House”. (The base remains fully operational, with over 800 staff, to this day. It is still of vital importance to the US.). The Dismissal took place on the eve of the parliamentary debate on the question of whether or not it should remain.

    On Nov 11, 1975, the Queen’s formal representative in Australia, the Governor General, Sir John Kerr controversially sacked Whitlam as Prime Minister relying on archaic, vice-regal reserve powers. Kerr, who had been appointed by Whitlam, was known to have enduring connections with the Australian security services and with the CIA.

    Malcolm Fraser subsequently formed essentially the same view as Whitlam about the way that Canberra’s extremely close relationship with Washington fundamentally undermined Australian sovereignty. Fraser was no fool. He would have sensed, uneasily, the offshore influences that had delivered the position of Prime Minister to him.

    In 2014, Fraser published a book called Dangerous Allies. One reviewer described it as a 360-page polemic calling for an immediate end to Australia’s paradoxical relationship with the US. In a related interview Fraser maintained that, “We need the United States for defence, but we only need defence because of the United States”. In the same interview he argued that the biggest danger to Australia’s national interest arose from maintaining its very close, strategic dependence on America. “I happen to believe”, said Fraser, “that giving America the power to say when Australia goes to war is the most dangerous position that Australia can bear.” Fraser also presciently argued, at that time, that: “Moving NATO east [to the] very borders of Russia, was bound to be regarded as a totally hostile act”.

    Malcolm Fraser thought it was plainly wrong for successive governments in Canberra, Liberal and ALP, to have allowed US Marines to be stationed in Australia and for Pine Gap to be used for America’s extensive (and regularly lethal) drone program. He sharply asked, “If America [unilaterally] uses forces deployed out of Australia, how can an Australian Prime Minister say we are not involved?”

    Both Whitlam and Fraser would have been appalled by the recent agreement to station nuclear capable US bombers near Darwin and the AUKUS decision, which has committed Australia to purchasing a fleet of nuclear-powered submarines at immense and rising cost. And all of this antagonistic military expenditure is primarily directed at Australia’s best ever, long-term trading partner. Both leaders would understand, deeply, that flicking the switch to glaring Sino-hostility is plainly not in Australia’s best interests but it is, above all, serving the interests of the US, which is gripped by a deeply disturbed project to suppress the rise – and very success – of China.

    The war-hawks in Australia and Washington still sing robustly from the same khaki song sheet but Fraser envisioned Australia as, “An independent power cooperating with other middle powers to try and build a better and safer world and to espouse the principles of the United Nations.” not as a super-glued ally of the US.

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    We're going to Wally World for a vacation.

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    • #3
      These events led to the making of the film "The falcon and the snowman"

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      • #4
        I went to the great man's memorial service at the Sydney Town Hall. Inside was full so I was part of the large external crowd served by the big screen. Afterwards, I strolled down George St. among the lunch time throng scurrying to and fro oblivious the passing of the true best PM we ever had. Most would never had heard of him - born well after the coup. I doubt that we will ever see his like again, the ALP has changed. Wikileaks exposed senior Labor members who regularly report to the US Embassy.

        Noel Pearson’s eulogy for Gough provides an eloquent summary of some of the Whitlam government’s achievements:
        “Apart from Medibank and the Trade Practices Act, cutting tariff protections and no-fault divorce in the Family Law Act, the Australia Council, the Federal Court, the Order of Australia, federal legal aid, the Racial Discrimination Act, needs-based schools funding, the recognition of China, the abolition of conscription, the law reform commission, student financial assistance, the Heritage Commission, non-discriminatory immigration rules, community health clinics, Aboriginal land rights, paid maternity leave for public servants, lowering the minimum voting age to 18 years and fair electoral boundaries and Senate representation for the territories.
        “Apart from all of this, what did this Roman ever do for us?”


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        • #5
          Comrade Paddo there is no evidence at all that the US and or US Intelligence sought to bring down the ALP government of Australia in the mid 1970s and it's just crank conspiracy theorist nonsense to suggest that there was.

          The subsequent landslide election victory by the LNP in 1975 and 1977 should put an end to such conspiracy nonsense - the voters made their choice

          John Pilger !!!! He's more left wing and anti west/capitalist than you so no wonder why you quote him and why what he says or writes should be taken with a grain of salt.

          Didn't Pilger mock the suggestion that Russia would invade Ukraine putting it down to the warmongering of Biden and his UK Echoes and that claims of an imminent invasion were pure hysteria.

          Pilger is also a staunch and consistent defender of Stalinist Little Legs Putin as well so maybe on the Kremlin payroll as well as Beijing and Pyongyang's perhaps?

          Why would Whitlam's visit to see a despot in China as opposition leader raise alarm bells in Washington when Richard Nixon as US President visited China for 1 week in 1972

          Nixon dubbed his visit "the week that changed the world", a descriptor that continues to echo in the political lexicon. Repercussions of the Nixon visit continue to this day; near-immediate results included a significant shift in the Cold War balance, driving a wedge between the Soviet Union and China and resulting in significant Soviet concessions to the U.S.


          Here's a very brief overview of what happened and no controversy at all - Democracy running as it should

          On 15 October 1975, the Leader of the Opposition, Malcolm Fraser announced the opposition would block the governments' supply or money bills in the Senate until an election was called. The opposition took this action because it believed the government was incompetent and the worst government in our history.

          In discussions with Whitlam Fraser reiterated that he would pass the bills if an election was held in mid 1976 - Whitlam countered with a proposal of a half senate election instead.

          So no agreement was reached and no use sending the supply (money bills) through the house of reps and senate again as they would not be passed - this would have created a double dissolution and a requirement to dissolve parliament and have full fresh elections held - both house of rep and the senate

          Without passing these money bills the Government would run out of money simple as that

          Kerr made the right decision as it was the quickest option to dismiss Whitlam and appoint Fraser as caretaker PM on the proviso that the supply (money bills) were passed in the Senate and that Fraser would then ask the Governor-General to dissolve both houses of Parliament so a federal election could be held. - The Double dissolution election as they called it.

          Off course there was the loans affair where the Whitlam Government(Rex Connor Brokering the deal) were attempting to raise an overseas loan of $4 billion not through the normal channels but through a third party - A Pakistani broker, Tirath Khemlani an enigmatic figure who was later revealed to be a con man

          mmm Dr Jim Cairns and Junie Marosi - Al Grassby and Lionel Murphy what can one say - Al Grassby and the Riverina Mafioso mmm

          Basically the ALP were on the nose and the election results not only in 1975 but also in 1977 confirmed that with landslide victories to the LNP

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          • #6
            I actually agree with Comrade Paddo. I love Whitlam as well.

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            • #7
              I was only a child when Gough was sacked but remember all the talk about it in the news. Having read a lot about the period later on, I have to say I am a fan of Whitlam. He was a visionary and did so much good for our country. However, I will temper this by saying he did try to do way too much too soon. I know I’m going to cop a lecture but you can’t just spend up and borrow beyond your means all in a short space of time. But I do love Gough. I can’t say much about the conspiracy theory as I suspect it’s just that, a conspiracy theory.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Paddo Colt 61 View Post
                I went to the great man's memorial service at the Sydney Town Hall. Inside was full so I was part of the large external crowd served by the big screen. Afterwards, I strolled down George St. among the lunch time throng scurrying to and fro oblivious the passing of the true best PM we ever had. Most would never had heard of him - born well after the coup. I doubt that we will ever see his like again, the ALP has changed. Wikileaks exposed senior Labor members who regularly report to the US Embassy.

                Noel Pearson’s eulogy for Gough provides an eloquent summary of some of the Whitlam government’s achievements:
                “Apart from Medibank and the Trade Practices Act, cutting tariff protections and no-fault divorce in the Family Law Act, the Australia Council, the Federal Court, the Order of Australia, federal legal aid, the Racial Discrimination Act, needs-based schools funding, the recognition of China, the abolition of conscription, the law reform commission, student financial assistance, the Heritage Commission, non-discriminatory immigration rules, community health clinics, Aboriginal land rights, paid maternity leave for public servants, lowering the minimum voting age to 18 years and fair electoral boundaries and Senate representation for the territories.
                “Apart from all of this, what did this Roman ever do for us?”


                Best PM - mmm nah.

                No Coup either as it had to be done as the Government would run out of money due to blockage of supply (money bills)

                Other countries had these as well - i.e Britain had the NHS for instance and the US Community health clinics - Scadndavian country discrimination laws etc etc - a lot of things copied from what other countries were already doing.

                Bit surprised you would say cutting tariff protections was a good thing as it's certainly something your lefty comrades would not say - lefties believe in fair trade in order to promote the welfare of the domestic worker and not free trade which is a globalist capitalist system that promotes inequity across the capitalist class system - the old have and have not's.

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                • #9
                  Whitlam was our member when we were in the seat of Werriwa way back when

                  Yes he introduced new things although a range of other countries already had these things so not something new or ground breaking one has to say- Australia was a signatory to the International Convention for the elimination of all forms of discrimination for instance.

                  Comrade Paddo would be sprouting how education at all levels was free in the Soviet Union as was Health Care for an example - UK had the NHS

                  Whitlam was not a typical Labor type person coming from a privileged background and not a working class background - His Father was a Federal Public Servant who served as Commonwealth Crown Solicitor

                  Whitlam lacked the management skills in dealing with some pretty ordinary Labor MP's who were doing some very controversial things one of which I have already mentioned. - The Loans affair was the big one though when that came out.

                  The buck stops at the top as he either should know or should have known what they were up to.

                  Throughout his term as PM his Government was pretty lousy in dealing with a wide range of bread and butter functions of Government.

                  Lots of controversy during that period - 1973 to 1975
                  • The economy was in recession with inflation at 13%
                  • Tariffs cut by 25% which resulted in an increase in imports of 30%
                  • Significant increase in unemployment rates
                  • Federal Parliament was dissolved in 1974 due to the Senate not passing a raft of bills designed for the Labor Government to basically spend their way out of trouble
                  • Murphy raids on ASIO- The files relating to threats against Yugoslav Prime Minister that never existed that Murphy thought ASIO might conceal or destroy them
                  • Gair affair "Night of the Long Prawns" Qld Labor Senator Gair was to resign from the senate to take up a diplomatic post which would mean 6 senate seats would be up for election and Labor were then confident of winning 3 of those 6 - Trouble was Labor MP's couldn't find him to secure his written resignation so only writs for 5 senate seat vacancies were issued as Gair had not yet resigned - Gair was enjoying Beers and Prawns at another party
                  • Failed referendums - i.e transferring control of wages and prices from the states to the federal government.
                  • Whitlam's support for the Indonesian annexation of East Timor - met with Suharto to indicate this support - total number of war dead of up to 300,000- Genocide.
                  • Dismissal of the Labor Government by the GG due to the inability to pass new supply (appropriation/money bills) as supply would run out on 30th November 1975 - The Government would run out of money

                  There has been no evidence provided at all about any US/CIA/MI5 etc involvement in Whitlam's dismissal though. Declassified CIA papers from the period say nothing about it

                  There is no conspiracy theory in the 11/11/1975 in being the date of the Dismissal - The 11/11/1975 was the last day that Federal Parliament could be dissolved to enable an election to be held before the end of the year

                  If Whitlam was not sacked to enable fresh elections to be called then the Government would have run out of money for a whole range of Public services at both Federal , State/Territory and Local Government levels including wages of Public Servants etc etc etc

                  You have seen that in America when similar bills are not passed the Government shuts down and only essential services and limited essential employees are retained.

                  The 1975 Federal election results were telling - LNP - 91 Seats (61 previous election) - Labor - 36 seats (66 previous election) - Senate - LNP - 35 - Labor - 27 - Independents - 2

                  The conspiracy theorists like Comrade Paddo and those he blindly admires and follows were pinning their hopes on the palace letters from the period providing the smoking gun but to no avail although they still continue on with their conspiracy theorist nonsense.

                  Interesting that Whitlam was trying to get himself reinstated

                  Constitutional law expert Anne Twomey said, according to Sir John's letters, he had wanted the correspondence to be released as he "thought it would vindicate his position".

                  "So all it does is blows away the silly conspiracy theories that we've been having for an awfully long time, which said 'this was all the conspiracy of the British and the establishment and the Queen'," she said.

                  "Well it wasn't.

                  "We just have to live with the fact it was an Australian who dismissed an Australian government."

                  Professor Twomey said another interesting revelation from the letters was that Mr Whitlam had called Buckingham Palace at 4:15am London time on November 11.

                  In a letter dated November 17, Sir Martin said Mr Whitlam "calmly" prefaced his remarks by saying he was speaking as a "private citizen":

                  "[He] said now Supply [the money bills] had passed he should be re-commissioned as Prime Minister so that he could choose his own time to call an election."

                  "So instead of the British interfering in Australia's constitutional system, [it] seems that Gough Whitlam was rather hoping the British would interfere into the system by making him Prime Minister again," Professor Twomey said.

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                  • #10
                    More more and still more MSM claptrap from the King. Must have googled the LNP website. And Putin and the USSR have managed an inexplicable comeback.

                    The MSM, particularly, the monopolistic Murdoch media played a major role in the '75 Coup. It was part of a conspiracy between an ex Intelligence officer (Kerr), 2 High Court Judges (one of whom was a former LNP minister) and the Monarchy (MI6 briefings would explain the Royal compliance with the plotters). Murdoch himself became personally involved.

                    Why would a search of critical contemporary MSM be the last word? Because Salvo is an uncritical consumer? His Catholicism attests to that - virgin births, rising from the dead, miracles, all that tosh.
                    Last edited by Paddo Colt 61; 12-31-2022, 09:46 AM.

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                    • #11
                      I wouldn't dismiss the idea that the CIA was somehow involved in the dismissal.
                      It's one conspiracy theory that actually has legs.

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                      • #12
                        Comrade Paddo time to come up with actual documented proof and none of this I read it in lefty books or it's on lefty websites etc which is your usual reference source.

                        Actual P R O O F

                        Again for you

                        Governor-General Kerr’s reason for dismissing Whitlam was Whitlam’s ability to govern was blocked by the Senate and its refusal to pass supply bills - simple as that - The previous supply bills expired on 30 November 1975 - The Government would run out of money if supply bills were not passed by the senate.

                        There were a series of meetings to negotiate a resolution so it wasn't a case of nothing being attempted to resolve this - No agreement could be reached so Kerr had only one option - Dismiss Whitlam and appoint Fraser as caretaker PM on the proviso the Senate passed the supply bills and Parliament was dissolved so fresh elections could be held - both happened the same day.

                        The 1975 double dissolution election result clearly showed that the majority of voters had enough of Whitlam and his dysfunctional party and they rightfully gave them the boot - 30 seat swing

                        LNP - 91 Seats (61 seats previous election in 1974)
                        Labor - 36 seats (66 seats previous election in 1974)

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Paddo Colt 61 View Post
                          More more and still more MSM claptrap from the King. Must have googled the LNP website. And Putin and the USSR have managed an inexplicable comeback.

                          The MSM, particularly, the monopolistic Murdoch media played a major role in the '75 Coup. It was part of a conspiracy between an ex Intelligence officer (Kerr), 2 High Court Judges (one of whom was a former LNP minister) and the Monarchy (MI6 briefings would explain the Royal compliance with the plotters). Murdoch himself became personally involved.

                          Why would a search of critical contemporary MSM be the last word? Because Salvo is an uncritical consumer? His Catholicism attests to that - virgin births, rising from the dead, miracles, all that tosh.
                          Translation: I can't find any mainstream sources that agree with my conspiracy theories so I'm just gonna say that Murdoch, the GG, the CIA and the Queen were all in this together.

                          Dead set mate... please just let Whitlam and the Queen RIP.

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                          • #14
                            The US are quite fond of ‘regime change’.

                            One only needs to look at the world news and see the destruction caused by war and follow the weapons path back to the US.

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                            • #15
                              [QUOTE=King Salvo
                              The 1975 double dissolution election result clearly showed that the majority of voters had enough of Whitlam and his dysfunctional party and they rightfully gave them the boot - 30 seat swing

                              Huh??.....The ALP won the double dissolution election in 1974 which was called after the Senate rejected the then Medibank legislation. The win was a spectacular one considering the huge risk what with the media media bias at the time (you hadda be there to appreciate). The Opposition Leader Billy Snedden famously said "We didn't lose, we just didn't win" foreshadowing that the removal campaign wasn't over.

                              You're thinking of the election following the coup when the sheeple lost their nerve and started to believe the media in larger numbers. It would have been hard for the normally uninterested Mr and Mrs Average to resist the bad news "scandal" stories that appeared almost daily. Hard to believe but the media blamed Whitlam for Cyclone Tracey and the collapse of the Kingsgate Bridge in Tasmania and got away with it.

                              During that 1975 "election" journalists at the Australian went on strike over the proprietor's abandonment of journalistic standards. which led to Murdoch himself filling in as "Special Correspondent",

                              And Izzy, you have those wires crossed again - best to read my posts when you're not drinking which would not be all that often I'd suggest,

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