Coaching masterclass

[Eggspert]

I don't think he gets off Scott free.

IMO he is the best roster builder in the comp, therefore he also deserves criticism for the roster management of next year.

We have known Suaalii would be moving on for 2 seasons now, with the risk of Joey Manu leaving and Billy Smith's record with injuries Robinson has no one but himself to blame for the position we find ourselves in with no obvious starting centre pairing. He will need to coach his way out of that mess.

Similar with Tupouniua and JWH, one was our decision and one we knew was coming for a long time. If we fall short in the forwards that's on Robinson.

Where he gets some empathy from me will be the halves and 9. An ACL to your first choice 9 and 7 is just rotten luck, his ability to develop Sandon and Elliot next year whilst embedding Townsend only to switch the pairing up mid way through the season once Walker is back will be crucial to our success or failure. The issue at 9 is a little easier to manage but it will be interesting to see if he dips into the market, backs one of his youngsters or asks Watson to play there again.

I just want to to know those who want him sacked think is a fair finish so the goal posts arent moved next year.

All fair points & well put.

[Eggspert]

Not really, I thought our goal line defence was pretty good. Just that we spent too much time defending our goal line, a lot of the time self inflicted.

I also don't believe we ranked last in all the important stats that wins you games consistently but happy to be proven wrong. What are those stats you consider important to winning games?

Penalties/ 6 agains & errors we are either last or bottom 2.

In this modern game you give yourself an uphill battle to win & compete on an even playing field when you spend so much time without the ball.or a fair share.

Our defence isn't generally good enough like the Bondi Wall of old to compensate for that.

This is something a Robbo coached team cant address appropriately year after year.

And if we are going to be a fair dinkum team come finals time the 1 - 24 stat must narrow not keep getting bigger

[Eggspert]

One thing I find disingenuous about the Robbo apologists is the heart breaking finals lose to the Storm last year with a spare parts team which everyone crowed about.

But a year later with a stronaer team to have 48 put on us in a weak surrender......

There's mostly silence.

[Bruce Pickett]

Our defence is appalling.

[elo]

We need a numbers guru to really drill into Trent how the game has changed and maybe something will finally click.

I didn't watch the grand final but I looked at the stats from time to time and it was fascinating to me at one time both teams had completed 17/20 sets yet Penrith had a 56/44 posssession lead with about 4 mins more ball. Penrith do this time and time again so it's very deliberate, they wear teams down by having far more possession than anyone else, it's quite masterful how they did that whilst having the same amount of sets as Melbourne. From memory the offloads and metres gained from Penrith were significantly higher yet the linebreaks were even and Melbourne led 6-4 - Penrith are coached to to win over the 80 mins. This is something that is completely non-existent for us, you can pretty much tell if we are "on" after the first few mins and if we aren't then it's either going to be a tryfest coinflip game or a slowly dragged out clunky loss to the poorer teams or a clear loss to the better teams, we play an erratic and unreliable brand of footy.

Now to be fair to Trent a lot of this issue isn't helped by the lack of onfield leadership, Teddy is more a lead by example kind of nice guy - this team does need an old head to lay down the law and keep the players on task and hopefully Chad Townsend can provide some of that as Cronk did during his 2 years at the club, it's desperately needed.

[bondi.boy]

As much as we all know that Nick won't sack hi., Robbos should be on notice.

His coaching will be fully tested with a weaker squad on paper. If he can get us to the top four with a weaker squad plus Walker and Brandon missing half the season then he would have done well. Anything less and serious questions will be asked.

"Can't win without the cattle" -
Jack Gibson.

Want better results, buy or grow better 'cattle'.
Simple.

How to win premierships...
play like the Panthers.
Play like the Panthers did in the GF yesterday.
Big forwards battering the opposition defence into submission, legally.
Big, solid, tough team battering the opposition attack into submission, legally.
...with very few mistakes.

It's all on tape.
Wise coaches will study and copy.

[Red.]

Since 2020 Bellamy has won a comp and made one of the best GF's ever.

I think your points about Robinson are correct but if you think last night's GF was one of the best ever you're off your head. It was boring. Penrith win by boring the shit out of teams.

[Bates]

Key ingredients imo in the 6 again era are patience, the ability to play the long game, respect for the ball and good discipline. Gone are the days when you can continuously give away penalties in the red zone and back your D. The game is too fast now.

Fatigue plays a big part in deciding outcomes. Ivan Cleary appears to be the only coach that get's this

[rented tracksuit]

Whoa hang on...

Are you & Salvo the same person?

Or worse....Souffs fans?

That’s sally and Mickey.

Im apparently Grimmace!

[rented tracksuit]

Our defence is appalling.

So is certain posters defence of our defence.

[bondi.boy]

Storm played well for 25 minutes. Scored a try to lead 6-0
Then dropped a bomb...Panthers ball 10m out.
Panthers ran around passing, getting tackled, passing the ball around...then on the 4th tackle...as they often do...received...wait for it.....




...a 6 again!
They scored a try 4 tackles later.
That was the end of the Storm.
Their truckload of mistakes started and never stopped.
They kicked out on the full from the kick off.
etc.

[Rooster_6]

Penalties/ 6 agains & errors we are either last or bottom 2.

In this modern game you give yourself an uphill battle to win & compete on an even playing field when you spend so much time without the ball.or a fair share.

Our defence isn't generally good enough like the Bondi Wall of old to compensate for that.

This is something a Robbo coached team cant address appropriately year after year.

And if we are going to be a fair dinkum team come finals time the 1 - 24 stat must narrow not keep getting bigger

Statistically we averaged the same amount of errors per game as the Panthers and only 0.2 more than the Storm.




On average we conceded the 4th fewest run metres, the 4th fewest linebreaks & we conceded the 5th fewest tries.

We ranked 1st for tries scored, 2nd for linebreaks and 11th for metres gained.

These are all metrics I would consider important to being a good side. The only one that checks out is penalties where we did rank last and have for the last 2 decades.

I think its a huge overstatement to say we rank last in all stats that matter.

[ChookMaster]

Interesting to note that last night all 4 halves ran for over 100M. Something that we lacked this finals series was our halves running and taking the line on. They don’t threaten the line enough to create opportunities for our wider men.

Luai last night always looked threatening cutting back on the inside. The same with Munster I thought he looked strong when taking the line on.




Cleary - 212M & 31 tackles with a busted shoulder. Gee he really is a once in a generation player.

[Kentucky_Fried_Rooster]

*was one of the best*

Embarrassing finals exit & cant narrow the gap between the other 2.

Woeful 1 -24 record.

Defence pretty ordinary close to the line.

Last in all the important stats that wins you games constantly.

Does any of that resonate with you?

He was one of the best coaches but not anymore, I don't think he has adapted to the six again era.
The team are probably the worst disciplined team in the NRL and you will always struggle with the amount of six agains and silly penalties we give away.
We can score points but we should have been working on discipline, fix that and we would have had a better shot at making the grand final.

Bellarmy has always had a team in the finals, he adapts as the game changes and the Storm system has zero problems replacing players that leave.
Cleary is the same, they lose players and someone better steps up and they don't seem to have any shortage there.

Nearly all coaches that have had good run seem to fall away after 5-10 years when they don't adapt.
Hasler was a great coach 10-15 years ago but his game plan doesn't work now.
Bennett was up the top for so long but having the Broncos team had made his job easier, he hasn't really done much in the last decade.

I don't see us winning under Robbo, we will be a fringe 8 team next year or possibly worse. We are going through a rebuild and the new crop of players need to not make it hard on themselves by giving away penalties and six again's every 5 minutes.
It's easy to say sack him but who do you bring in, the only two that could do better are Bellamy and Cleary and both won't leave their current teams.

[bondi.boy]

6 agains, when and where they are awarded is at the ref's discretion.
Sorry, game manager's discretion.

Do the Panthers ever lose a penalty count or 6 again count?