Terrorist attacks in Israel

[mightyrooster]

I agree with Random 100% . My view exactly. Then you get Paddo saying the best I can come up with is violence is bad whilst clutching my non existent pearls. What is wrong with our view? I mean violence against violence hasn’t solved this problem for centuries has it.

[Thirteen]

I haven't changed tack on anything. Hamas is a terrorist group by there own admission. What they did is beyond belief......and how they did it- evil pigs.

Any normal person would want them brought to justice- i just disagree about the how the Israeli is going about it in Gaza.....and there are many Israeli's who do too. Recent history has only proved fighting violence with violence doesn't work- what makes anyone think it will work now?

Before you ask "then what would you do?" my answer is i dont know....hence i'm discussing it in the " off topic" forum in a rugby league off season !! Death to more innocent civilians on both sides will be like throwing petrol on the flames.

I think you will find that the vast majority of Israelis are well in favour of the action Israel is taking.

[Mickie Lane]

It's not as simple as that. Palestine's past is complicated and multifaceted, with political, cultural, and religious factors that have changed over many years.

I copied and pasted the below but its accurate.

Ancient History:

• Prehistoric Times: The area now known as Palestine has been inhabited since prehistoric times. Archaeological evidence suggests human presence dating back to the Paleolithic period.
• Ancient Civilizations: Throughout antiquity, various civilizations, including the Canaanites, Phoenicians, Israelites, and Philistines, inhabited the region.

Classical and Medieval Periods:

• Roman and Byzantine Rule: In 63 BCE, the Romans under Pompey conquered Jerusalem. Later, it became part of the Byzantine Empire.
• Islamic Conquest: In 638 CE, Palestine was conquered by Muslim forces led by Caliph Umar, becoming part of the Islamic Caliphate.
• Crusader Period: In the 11th century, Palestine became a battleground during the Crusades, with Christian crusaders and Muslim forces fighting for control of the region.

Ottoman Rule (1517-1917):

• Ottoman Empire: Palestine was part of the Ottoman Empire for centuries. During this period, the population was ethnically and religiously diverse, with Muslims, Christians, and Jews living side by side in various cities and towns.

British Mandate (1917-1948):

• Balfour Declaration: In 1917, the British government issued the Balfour Declaration, expressing support for the establishment of a "national home for the Jewish people" in Palestine.
• British Mandate: After World War I, the League of Nations granted Britain the mandate to govern Palestine. During this time, tensions between Jewish and Arab communities escalated.

Modern Period and Israeli-Palestinian Conflict:

• United Nations Partition Plan (1947): The United Nations proposed a partition plan in 1947, dividing Palestine into separate Jewish and Arab states, with Jerusalem as an international city. Jewish leaders accepted the plan, but Arab leaders rejected it.
• 1948 Arab-Israeli War: Following the declaration of the State of Israel in 1948, neighboring Arab countries invaded, leading to a conflict that resulted in displacement and significant changes in borders.
• Palestinian Displacement (Nakba): Hundreds of thousands of Palestinians were displaced or fled during the 1948 war, leading to deep-seated refugee issues.
• Subsequent Conflicts: Several conflicts between Israel and its Arab neighbors occurred in subsequent years, including the Six-Day War (1967) and the Yom Kippur War (1973). Additionally, tensions between Israelis and Palestinians within the occupied territories have led to numerous conflicts and peace attempts.

Contemporary Period:

• Peace Process: Efforts have been made to achieve peace between Israelis and Palestinians, including the Oslo Accords in the 1990s. However, a lasting resolution to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict has remained elusive, with issues such as borders, refugees, and the status of Jerusalem remaining major points of contention.

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Excellent post.
Thanks for that.

[mightyrooster]

So more civilians killed in a hospital blast. I won’t bother showing any shock or horror at that one as highlighting and focusing on the unnecessary violence in the Gaza is not contributing anything worthwhile to the discussion. But it’s good to see both sides are blaming the other as usual.

[Thirteen]

So more civilians killed in a hospital blast. I won’t bother showing any shock or horror at that one as highlighting and focusing on the unnecessary violence in the Gaza is not contributing anything worthwhile to the discussion. But it’s good to see both sides are blaming the other as usual.

Won’t be long before Israel proves that it was the terrorists that hit the hospital. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was intentional in an effort to drum up world support. We all know they place no value on human lives. Israel is too smart and technologically advanced to hit a hospital and they wouldn’t want to. While it’s proven that Hamas miss their targets 40% of the time.

[Random Rooster]

Won’t be long before Israel proves that it was the terrorists that hit the hospital. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was intentional in an effort to drum up world support. We all know they place no value on human lives. Israel is too smart and technologically advanced to hit a hospital and they wouldn’t want to. While it’s proven that Hamas miss their targets 40% of the time.

Supporters of either side will believe what they want to believe- theres no outdoing the outrage that its already produced across the Arab world.

It's highly unlikely that any of Israels enemies would have access to a bomb that would kill 600 people instantly. Its also highly unlikely that Israel would target a hospital although they did warn everyone in the region to evacuate. No country is too smart and technologically advanced to accidentally hit any civilian buildings- it always happens- always. Considering Israel failed to pick up these terrorists training on their doorstep for 2 years shows they aren't as advanced as everyone is led to believe.

No doubt Hamas needs to be eliminated. As i said before i've seen some unedited footage of their attack- its absolutely heinous- true filth. How you go about eliminating them without the making it worse, i don't know. As Gould would say "the answer is a pineapple"

[Paddo Colt 61]

Oh yeah.....like recent killings in Ukraine are quickly declared Russian atrocities only to have investigative reporters point conclusively to Uke culpability.

Given that non discriminating deadly violence is stock in trade for both sides, let's consider Hamas' attack and civilian targeting and let's cast the normal Israeli as a sheep, ll informed by media and no more aware of issues than Aussies or Yanks. Hamas knew the tactic would revolt the West and it also knows that your average Israeli is indifferent to and probably ignorant about what partition has done to the arab population. By electing, at any opportunity, an extreme right wing cabal of Jewish Nazis and persecutors they (the public) have made themselves complicit in Arab eyes. Like our mob, when horrendous world events swirl about them, they are off to music festivals and any other sort of hedonistic diversion that wealth offers, happy to let an oppressive status quo carry on business as usual.

An attack such as was carried out is deliberately aimed at destroying the public's confidence in government to protect it - Likud said that the wall would protect them, it didn't. Even prior to the attack there was a worrying exodus of Jews from the country and that has now probably increased. Who in their right mind would want to build their McMansion in a disputed territory as the ultra orthodox settlers do, killing and ethnic cleansing as they act illegally. The smarter, or the experienced Israelis, look for solutions. Two States? Maybe that would solve the suppression of Arabs for a time but hard to see it as a permanent fix all. The Arabs want the Jews gone. They didn't accept the UN decision in 1948 when Whitey gave their country to whom they, the Palestinians, saw at the time, and still see, as interlopers.

[rented tracksuit]

FFS

[Random Rooster]

Oh yeah.....like recent killings in Ukraine are quickly declared Russian atrocities only to have investigative reporters point conclusively to Uke culpability.

Given that non discriminating deadly violence is stock in trade for both sides, let's consider Hamas' attack and civilian targeting and let's cast the normal Israeli as a sheep, ll informed by media and no more aware of issues than Aussies or Yanks. Hamas knew the tactic would revolt the West and it also knows that your average Israeli is indifferent to and probably ignorant about what partition has done to the arab population. By electing, at any opportunity, an extreme right wing cabal of Jewish Nazis and persecutors they (the public) have made themselves complicit in Arab eyes. Like our mob, when horrendous world events swirl about them, they are off to music festivals and any other sort of hedonistic diversion that wealth offers, happy to let an oppressive status quo carry on business as usual.

An attack such as was carried out is deliberately aimed at destroying the public's confidence in government to protect it - Likud said that the wall would protect them, it didn't. Even prior to the attack there was a worrying exodus of Jews from the country and that has now probably increased. Who in their right mind would want to build their McMansion in a disputed territory as the ultra orthodox settlers do, killing and ethnic cleansing as they act illegally. The smarter, or the experienced Israelis, look for solutions. Two States? Maybe that would solve the suppression of Arabs for a time but hard to see it as a permanent fix all. The Arabs want the Jews gone. They didn't accept the UN decision in 1948 when Whitey gave their country to whom they, the Palestinians, saw at the time, and still see, as interlopers.

Is there an academic present who can kindly provide a translation for all this, please?

[Andrew Walker]

Won’t be long before Israel proves that it was the terrorists that hit the hospital. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was intentional in an effort to drum up world support. We all know they place no value on human lives. Israel is too smart and technologically advanced to hit a hospital and they wouldn’t want to. While it’s proven that Hamas miss their targets 40% of the time.

Please stop with your deluded propaganda

[mightyrooster]

Oh yeah.....like recent killings in Ukraine are quickly declared Russian atrocities only to have investigative reporters point conclusively to Uke culpability.

Given that non discriminating deadly violence is stock in trade for both sides, let's consider Hamas' attack and civilian targeting and let's cast the normal Israeli as a sheep, ll informed by media and no more aware of issues than Aussies or Yanks. Hamas knew the tactic would revolt the West and it also knows that your average Israeli is indifferent to and probably ignorant about what partition has done to the arab population. By electing, at any opportunity, an extreme right wing cabal of Jewish Nazis and persecutors they (the public) have made themselves complicit in Arab eyes. Like our mob, when horrendous world events swirl about them, they are off to music festivals and any other sort of hedonistic diversion that wealth offers, happy to let an oppressive status quo carry on business as usual.

An attack such as was carried out is deliberately aimed at destroying the public's confidence in government to protect it - Likud said that the wall would protect them, it didn't. Even prior to the attack there was a worrying exodus of Jews from the country and that has now probably increased. Who in their right mind would want to build their McMansion in a disputed territory as the ultra orthodox settlers do, killing and ethnic cleansing as they act illegally. The smarter, or the experienced Israelis, look for solutions. Two States? Maybe that would solve the suppression of Arabs for a time but hard to see it as a permanent fix all. The Arabs want the Jews gone. They didn't accept the UN decision in 1948 when Whitey gave their country to whom they, the Palestinians, saw at the time, and still see, as interlopers.

Well after your little pep talk in the referendum thread, I have to say this is a bit of a rave!

[Jacks Fur Coat]

Won’t be long before Israel proves that it was the terrorists that hit the hospital. I wouldn’t be surprised if it was intentional in an effort to drum up world support. We all know they place no value on human lives. Israel is too smart and technologically advanced to hit a hospital and they wouldn’t want to. While it’s proven that Hamas miss their targets 40% of the time.

Its emerged now including a telecommunication between Hamas operatives that the missile was fired from Gaza and was a misfire from them or the Islamic Jihad group. Israel doesn't target hospitals but they got their "story" out to the media before the facts emerged. The Hamas operatives even admitted the shrapnel was not of Israeli arsenal. I wouldn't rule out it may not have even been an accident. They are pure evil and are holding the Palestinian people to ransom now.

Their goal now is to unite the whole Islamic world against Israel, and by definition the western world that support them and the same values. Scary times.

[Random Rooster]

Question- all those missiles fired out of Gaza that are intercepted by Israels "Iron Dome" defence system....where are they aimed at? Are any aimed at anything particular or is it just a case of bombs away,anywhere she lands she lands?

[Thirteen]

Please stop with your deluded propaganda

You’d only call it propaganda if you had no answer to the real facts. Just like you don’t. Call it whatever you want. There is a reason every single first world country supports Israel. But you just go on supporting terrorists.

Propaganda is only what you’d say if you had no answer to the true facts.

[Andrew Walker]

You’d only call it propaganda if you had no answer to the real facts. Just like you don’t. Call it whatever you want. There is a reason every single first world country supports Israel. But you just go on supporting terrorists.

Propaganda is only what you’d say if you had no answer to the true facts.

Anything you say or claim in this now lacks credibility due to you already running with the decapitated babies story. One which is now known as a lie That type of fabrication is exactly what propaganda is.

I support no side in this The only thing I’m interested in hearing is truth. Just as I doubted your first bit of demonstrable propaganda I doubt your latest claim