Let's get the Facts Right on China.

[Random Rooster]

Unfortunately, your unusually strident anti Communism makes you an unreliable source.

I don't much care for making nice and this is a political discussion, "nice" shouldn't come into it. I was hoping to hear a more objective view from one on the ground but, although not anywhere near the league of Heckle and Jeckle, there was bias and sadly, it's a bias shared by most people which doesn't make it right, more a comment on them and their apathy and lack of interest

Paddo was hoping that someone with first-hand experience would agree with his views, and if you did, you would be a reliable source. However, a lot of what you reported contradicted his views, making you an unreliable source!

[Paddo Colt 61]

No Randy I was anticipating an "ordinary person" perspective and thought that a teacher working there could articulate that. When I was in HK I lived in Pok Fu Lam which is a long bus ride from downtown. Had I been there over the last two years, what would be my impression? Not much to report would be the answer - maybe bus hold ups. Were I an emotional anti Communist, however, I might have filled a report from Pok Fu Lam with lurid accusations of state tyranny that I didn't witness. Voods' post, though well meaning, is biased pure and simple. It does nothing to further rational discussion. At best it's hear/say at worstpart of an agenda.

"No it's not, it's the truth!" I hear readers cry, "We can feel it!" (courtesy of the MSM of course) - so it follows that Justice Litton's much different perspective is bullshit? That's meathead stuff and the sort of thing that King goes in for - cancel culture. Litton is part of the old "rule of law" Colonial establishment. Might his opinion be more credible than a bloke's who appears to intensely dislike an ideology?

This morning on Radio National I heard some ex soldier boy (maybe one of the officers who ringed the base at Nui Dat with mines only to have the locals dig them up and inflict half Australia's Vietnam war losses with them). Anyway this ex officer fella is a regular (lucky us) commentator on the progress of the war in Ukraine. His latest contribution is that the Russkies are stealing Ukraine babies and giving them to Russian families - WW1 babies on bayonets stuff and this guy gets a run on the ABC!

Such a thing has happened under the Pinochet regime in Chile - a ruthless fascist cabal brought to power after a democratically elected socialist government was subverted by US Intelligence - the babies were the children of Trade Unionists and other Left leaners who were arrested and thrown from helicopters. Chile had been a Democracy for as long as Australia and coincidentally, it ceased to be that on the same day as the Whitlam coup. The US had a big hand in both.

Some on here need to analyse just what "Democracy" means and is.

[Dr. Voodoo Man]

Paddo was hoping that someone with first-hand experience would agree with his views, and if you did, you would be a reliable source. However, a lot of what you reported contradicted his views, making you an unreliable source!

Mate I think I will stick to talking about Easts lol.

[ism22]

Mate I think I will stick to talking about Easts lol.

Good effort at least... you tried!

[Paddo Colt 61]

Nah....he didn't "try", he parroted things that he'd heard on Western (US) media. He saw none of what he reported.

Years ago when working at Glebe High I walked into a senior Modern History class just as the teacher was posing the question "Why is Australia in Afghanistan?". What an interesting opening I thought but the blank faces mirroring even blanker minds made it a rhetorical one. "We're fighting for freedom aren't we?" he responded without any hint of irony. That was the first time that I realised that the ATAR for Teaching had plummeted. He was obviously a Tele reader like his audience the majority of which would go on through life thinking that MSM was a voice from on high and that its reportings were immutable and unarguable.

Because of an existing bias Voods accepted what he read and saw on American TV as truth in the same way as those at Glebe did. He uncritically internalised it and it became his own, as if he had witnessed it all himself and, as a result, he could also report, in an omniscient way, the views and emotions of "everybody" as in "the riots that everybody has seen" and "nobody feels safe". I very much doubt that either statement is a true representation of the HK majority and certainly not of the good folk of Pok Fu Lam out in the 'burbs. Izzy does the same with everybody thinks such'n'such so you're outta line and wrong what's more.

My concern with this thread and others is that we need to resist the power of MSM and ask searching questions about critical matters which may eventually lead to us sending our children and other young Australians off to yet another American war which is not in our own national interest. Heckle and Jeckle do their best to obfuscate with columns of stupidity, personal abuse and irrelevancy and that works because most people hate change and just want their biases confirmed.

[Dr. Voodoo Man]

Nah....he didn't "try", he parroted things that he'd heard on Western (US) media. He saw none of what he reported.

Years ago when working at Glebe High I walked into a senior Modern History class just as the teacher was posing the question "Why is Australia in Afghanistan?". What an interesting opening I thought but the blank faces mirroring even blanker minds made it a rhetorical one. "We're fighting for freedom aren't we?" he responded without any hint of irony. That was the first time that I realised that the ATAR for Teaching had plummeted. He was obviously a Tele reader like his audience the majority of which would go on through life thinking that MSM was a voice from on high and that its reportings were immutable and unarguable.

Because of an existing bias Voods accepted what he read and saw on American TV as truth in the same way as those at Glebe did. He uncritically internalised it and it became his own, as if he had witnessed it all himself and, as a result, he could also report, in an omniscient way, the views and emotions of "everybody" as in "the riots that everybody has seen" and "nobody feels safe". I very much doubt that either statement is a true representation of the HK majority and certainly not of the good folk of Pok Fu Lam out in the 'burbs. Izzy does the same with everybody thinks such'n'such so you're outta line and wrong what's more.

My concern with this thread and others is that we need to resist the power of MSM and ask searching questions about critical matters which may eventually lead to us sending our children and other young Australians off to yet another American war which is not in our own national interest. Heckle and Jeckle do their best to obfuscate with columns of stupidity, personal abuse and irrelevancy and that works because most people hate change and just want their biases confirmed.

Pok Fu Lam is right next to Central. It is a very expensive area with views towards Lamma Island. Have you ever actually been there?

Also as a Communist why do you think anyone would agree with you?

You are either a troll or a seriously mentally disturbed man or both. Peace out.

[Rooster1908]

Pok Fu Lam is right next to Central. It is a very expensive area with views towards Lamma Island. Have you ever actually been there?

Also as a Communist why do you think anyone would agree with you?

You are either a troll or a seriously mentally disturbed man or both. Peace out.

Come on what would you know. You only live there and experience it firsthand . Peddo has google . Ps I would vote he is seriously mentally ill .

[Paddo Colt 61]

Is a 20 - 30 minute bus ride "right next to"? Never said that I wasn't wealthy. The question remains, did you actually witness anything at all?

Jeez you've certainly proscribed Communism/Socialism. Also never thought that I'd hear something like that from a teacher - the closed mind is very unsophisticated, yokel-ish in fact but as I said earlier......

Again with the ad hominem? Another cancel guy out and proud - that "anyone" stuff again just like Izzy. PE teacher? Woodwork? Hospitality? Ever taught History at Glebe High?

As you say HK is China. Both HK and China are Capitalist

[Dr. Voodoo Man]

Is a 20 - 30 minute bus ride "right next to"? Never said that I wasn't wealthy. The question remains, did you actually witness anything at all?

Jeez you've certainly proscribed Communism/Socialism. Also never thought that I'd hear something like that from a teacher - the closed mind is very unsophisticated, yokel-ish in fact but as I said earlier......

Again with the ad hominem? Another cancel guy out and proud - that "anyone" stuff again just like Izzy. PE teacher? Woodwork? Hospitality? Ever taught History at Glebe High?

As you say HK is China. Both HK and China are Capitalist

Ha ha the guy really has a screw loose.

[Dr. Voodoo Man]

Is a 20 - 30 minute bus ride "right next to"? Never said that I wasn't wealthy. The question remains, did you actually witness anything at all?

Jeez you've certainly proscribed Communism/Socialism. Also never thought that I'd hear something like that from a teacher - the closed mind is very unsophisticated, yokel-ish in fact but as I said earlier......

Again with the ad hominem? Another cancel guy out and proud - that "anyone" stuff again just like Izzy. PE teacher? Woodwork? Hospitality? Ever taught History at Glebe High?

As you say HK is China. Both HK and China are Capitalist

Pok Fu Lam is right next to Central dude. 5 mins away.


You should be nicer to people. Most of us here have called each other bad things in the past but mostly we realize we all Easts tragics and it is a bond that we share. I don't mind if you are communist but surely you realize nobody else is.

Are you ethnically Chinese or just a Marxist?

[King Salvo]

Nah....he didn't "try", he parroted things that he'd heard on Western (US) media. He saw none of what he reported.

Years ago when working at Glebe High I walked into a senior Modern History class just as the teacher was posing the question "Why is Australia in Afghanistan?". What an interesting opening I thought but the blank faces mirroring even blanker minds made it a rhetorical one. "We're fighting for freedom aren't we?" he responded without any hint of irony. That was the first time that I realised that the ATAR for Teaching had plummeted. He was obviously a Tele reader like his audience the majority of which would go on through life thinking that MSM was a voice from on high and that its reportings were immutable and unarguable.

Because of an existing bias Voods accepted what he read and saw on American TV as truth in the same way as those at Glebe did. He uncritically internalised it and it became his own, as if he had witnessed it all himself and, as a result, he could also report, in an omniscient way, the views and emotions of "everybody" as in "the riots that everybody has seen" and "nobody feels safe". I very much doubt that either statement is a true representation of the HK majority and certainly not of the good folk of Pok Fu Lam out in the 'burbs. Izzy does the same with everybody thinks such'n'such so you're outta line and wrong what's more.

My concern with this thread and others is that we need to resist the power of MSM and ask searching questions about critical matters which may eventually lead to us sending our children and other young Australians off to yet another American war which is not in our own national interest. Heckle and Jeckle do their best to obfuscate with columns of stupidity, personal abuse and irrelevancy and that works because most people hate change and just want their biases confirmed.

The trouble though Comrade Paddo is what you reference in your posts that you obtain from a variety of websites sources that suit your view or opinions of history or historical events are purely peoples opinions and not facts or factual in content.

I don't see how you can say that virtually everything reported by Western Media sources or written by Western Historians etc is in your words "bullshit" when seemingly your own sources in refuting or countering them are these opinion pieces that I mentioned above and or your own views that were formulated in either your later youth or at University by reading similar leftist material /engaging with others who shared similar leftist leanings and a sympathetic view of Communism.

As I said we had a number of Teachers who were very much sympathetic to communism which they either obtained or were indoctrinated in during their University days in the 1960's/1970's which is maybe where you also got these views from ?

They strongly refuted the contents of the Gulag Archipelago saying the author Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn was got at by the CIA/US/West and was somehow forced to write this book to undermine the USSR- His expulsion/ deportation from the USSR to a Western Country (West Germany) they also claimed was proof of this

Unfortunately for you Dr Voodoo Man's report on events didn't back up your views/opinions on Hong Kong even though he is in your words on the ground there and would know a bit more on what's going on than what you would one has to say.

So along with this and his right in refusing to lead a 3 minute mourning for a deceased commie you now say he is biased/ an unreliable source/anti commo and somewhat of a western stooge even but you don't consider your own posts to be biased when you post about the west noting your well documented anti-west/capitalist stance and or any bias in your China/Russia posts when you are pro China and Russia

That does not make sense at all.

Your posts one has to say are historical negationism based with an extreme overdose of westernophobia thrown in and a rather unhealthy one to say the least.

We already know you are anti US/West/Capitalism/Religion etc etc and how you would very much prefer to live under Marxist/Leninist/Maoist/ Socialist Authoritarian and Totalitarian regimes as you see nothing wrong with such ideology and political systems and or anything they ever did throughout their history to their citizens in whatever countries such system existed in or still exist in.

I am still at a loss though why you have not relocated to any of these countries that you so greatly admire as surely someone with an intense dislike of the West as you have would have relocated long before now.

[ism22]

Again with the ad hominem? Another cancel guy out and proud - that "anyone" stuff again just like Izzy. PE teacher? Woodwork? Hospitality? Ever taught History at Glebe High?

Mate I taught PE at a correctional school in Regent's park for a while as a youngster. What of it?

TBH there's better content in the year 10 PDHPE curriculum than there is on your favourite opinions site. At least kids came outta my classes knowing how to keep themselves fit and make good decisions about their health (rather than a heap of extremist bull).

Edit: gonna be careful what else I say about teachers after this week BTW (assume you don't blanket deny the mainstream reporting of what happened).

[A Country Member]

Come on what would you know. You only live there and experience it firsthand . Peddo has google . Ps I would vote he is seriously mentally ill .

You forgot to insert a space between the last word of the sentence and what should’ve been a question mark. Slipping 08

[Rooster1908]

You forgot to insert a space between the last word of the sentence and what should’ve been a question mark. Slipping 08

oh dear the grammar police are back . Sorry

[A Country Member]

Yep . I’m back .. for the moment .

I’ll try inserting a space before each stop just , so I know how you feel 08 .

p . S . how ‘s YCBB ?